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ACH-FSE: rules (outdated will be updated with fresh rules )
- Thread starter Ricardo Rementería Troncoso
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
In that case I am forced to leave the group.
For me FSE is a platform to have fun - neither I want to be forced to file my flights to ACH (they do not have any of my favorite planes in their fleet) just to push up the charity thing, nor I want to be forced to build up an FBO.....
In that case I am forced to leave the group.
For me FSE is a platform to have fun - neither I want to be forced to file my flights to ACH (they do not have any of my favorite planes in their fleet) just to push up the charity thing, nor I want to be forced to build up an FBO.....
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
Nobody forces you to file your flights to Air Child, but we are flying for Air Child and not for another VA mainly because of "the charity thing" (missing favourite planes may always be replaced in our flight briefing by a similar one, the "substitution", do you remember?).
You are not "forced" to build up a FBO, but that's one of the extra challenges of FS Economy (Passenger Terminals, Repair Shops) and a very important reason to use it as financial/economical system.
I feel sad about your decision ("I am forced to leave the group") without to talk about the proposed rules you do not like. You do not tell us what do you want to implement to make this better. I've asked you (ACH-FSE pilots) many times to tell us in the forum or using PM's what do you want, what do you miss, what can we do to make this better. "Suggestions? More ideas?...", do you remember?
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Oliver, I do not understand.Oliver Pohl said:
Nobody forces you to file your flights to Air Child, but we are flying for Air Child and not for another VA mainly because of "the charity thing" (missing favourite planes may always be replaced in our flight briefing by a similar one, the "substitution", do you remember?).
You are not "forced" to build up a FBO, but that's one of the extra challenges of FS Economy (Passenger Terminals, Repair Shops) and a very important reason to use it as financial/economical system.
I feel sad about your decision ("I am forced to leave the group") without to talk about the proposed rules you do not like. You do not tell us what do you want to implement to make this better. I've asked you (ACH-FSE pilots) many times to tell us in the forum or using PM's what do you want, what do you miss, what can we do to make this better. "Suggestions? More ideas?...", do you remember?
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
Hello
as you have written in your rules point 2 and 3 starts with "Every pilot must...."
Don't be sad about my decision - but the prior reason for me to play FSE is flying - the charity thing at AirChild for me is just a pleasant side effect, that comes with it.... But in the past I loose interests in these jets, that are used at ACH - and there is not any aircraft which is similar to the crafts I use...
I don't want to do a flight with Cessna 185 and book a flight with a DHC6 - because it is not similar to my choice....
All the best
Oliver
Hello
as you have written in your rules point 2 and 3 starts with "Every pilot must...."
Don't be sad about my decision - but the prior reason for me to play FSE is flying - the charity thing at AirChild for me is just a pleasant side effect, that comes with it.... But in the past I loose interests in these jets, that are used at ACH - and there is not any aircraft which is similar to the crafts I use...
I don't want to do a flight with Cessna 185 and book a flight with a DHC6 - because it is not similar to my choice....
All the best
Oliver
Re: ACH-FSE: rules
Hi Oliver,
what are the aircrafts you like to use? And the "must" which Ricardo said in his rules, can be changed to "should" cause this is more the spirit which we have on Air-Child. First of all it is all about the fun of flightsim. Maybe this is the first rule of all - everybody who is using Air-Child should have fun using it.
Actually I do not know much about FSE. Maybe Ricardos rules are important that Air-Child can stay in FSE as a VA - I do not know. But as I said, we all have benefit for years that there is no "must" in Air-Child. With this rules I myself could´t follow FSE cause I am busy with my work, very often away and I like flightsim for flying. Try to make enough money for living is my daily task as freelancer in film business. But I am not in the FSE group. Maybe you guys should sit on the "round table" to discuss this Air-Child freedom in all parts and chapters of our Air-Child VA. For me this sounds better then - I quit!
Cheers Tom
Oliver Pohl said:
Hi Oliver,
what are the aircrafts you like to use? And the "must" which Ricardo said in his rules, can be changed to "should" cause this is more the spirit which we have on Air-Child. First of all it is all about the fun of flightsim. Maybe this is the first rule of all - everybody who is using Air-Child should have fun using it.
Actually I do not know much about FSE. Maybe Ricardos rules are important that Air-Child can stay in FSE as a VA - I do not know. But as I said, we all have benefit for years that there is no "must" in Air-Child. With this rules I myself could´t follow FSE cause I am busy with my work, very often away and I like flightsim for flying. Try to make enough money for living is my daily task as freelancer in film business. But I am not in the FSE group. Maybe you guys should sit on the "round table" to discuss this Air-Child freedom in all parts and chapters of our Air-Child VA. For me this sounds better then - I quit!
Cheers Tom
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
For me talking in the forum it's quite annoying I would like to propose a chat on Teamspeak, so lot's of point could be clarified.
FSEconomy should be implemented on parallel with the dispatch centre of Air-child also aircraft should meet our rank as it is in air-child.
Right now there are only few member that participate to this opportunity, I think implement this concept is improving Air-child VA.
There are many idea that can be raised with FSE some example:
imagine flying to brings goods and people on place where happen disaster.
Build a fleet with humanitarian concept like the DC10 of ORBIS that brings doctor and medical surgery around the world.
We can build a fleet of Air-child flying doctor on Alaska, Australia, South America, Africa and Asia.
We can build a fleet with Unicef organization for evacuation.
Everything could be related as human factor or natural disaster.
People that are part of FSE can see advertise on their forum to join our group we need Pilot don't we.
The only Factor is that Air child need to build a dispatch centre that meet FSE assignment or the opposite, otherwise we are talking about two different entity that will never rely and in that solution and I don't want to play in that direction.
A pool in Air-child forum could be a nice idea if member of Air-child want to take this opportunity
Rising money with FSE only works if everybody want to play otherwise it will be difficult to build FBO, buying aircraft, expand the network.
For me talking in the forum it's quite annoying I would like to propose a chat on Teamspeak, so lot's of point could be clarified.
FSEconomy should be implemented on parallel with the dispatch centre of Air-child also aircraft should meet our rank as it is in air-child.
Right now there are only few member that participate to this opportunity, I think implement this concept is improving Air-child VA.
There are many idea that can be raised with FSE some example:
imagine flying to brings goods and people on place where happen disaster.
Build a fleet with humanitarian concept like the DC10 of ORBIS that brings doctor and medical surgery around the world.
We can build a fleet of Air-child flying doctor on Alaska, Australia, South America, Africa and Asia.
We can build a fleet with Unicef organization for evacuation.
Everything could be related as human factor or natural disaster.
People that are part of FSE can see advertise on their forum to join our group we need Pilot don't we.
The only Factor is that Air child need to build a dispatch centre that meet FSE assignment or the opposite, otherwise we are talking about two different entity that will never rely and in that solution and I don't want to play in that direction.
A pool in Air-child forum could be a nice idea if member of Air-child want to take this opportunity
Rising money with FSE only works if everybody want to play otherwise it will be difficult to build FBO, buying aircraft, expand the network.
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
Finally there is some discussion about the proposed "rules". You know, we are at Air Child, here we do not like "must" nor "rules" nor "you have to". Everything here can be discussed and changed.
Well, there is some discussion about the proposed "rule 3":
"3. Because we are a group at FS Economy and we want to work together, we expect that every pilot fly at least once per month for Air Child. After 30 days inactivity you will be removed from the group. When you want and have time to fly for Air Child, you may join us again."
So far, some people don't want to have a "sleeping membership" (people/pilots registered at our group Air Child at FS Economy who never flies for Air Child nor does something else for the group). I must think about some political parties and "democratic organisations" where the "top" take decisions "in name of..."
Sometime these sleeping members want to discuss everything and take decisions, and they do it because they can..., they are very often far away the "majority"...
This is (short) Option 1:
"remove pilots because of inactivity after 3 months. They may always join us again."
Other people think we don't need strict rules and a "sleeping membership" should never become a problem at Air Child.
This is (short) Option 2: Do not remove any pilot, remove the proposed rule 3.
I do not want to propose a poll yet.
I first want to take inventory of your ideas about the subject.
Thanks for sharing your ideas with us.
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Finally there is some discussion about the proposed "rules". You know, we are at Air Child, here we do not like "must" nor "rules" nor "you have to". Everything here can be discussed and changed.
Well, there is some discussion about the proposed "rule 3":
"3. Because we are a group at FS Economy and we want to work together, we expect that every pilot fly at least once per month for Air Child. After 30 days inactivity you will be removed from the group. When you want and have time to fly for Air Child, you may join us again."
So far, some people don't want to have a "sleeping membership" (people/pilots registered at our group Air Child at FS Economy who never flies for Air Child nor does something else for the group). I must think about some political parties and "democratic organisations" where the "top" take decisions "in name of..."
Sometime these sleeping members want to discuss everything and take decisions, and they do it because they can..., they are very often far away the "majority"...
This is (short) Option 1:
"remove pilots because of inactivity after 3 months. They may always join us again."
Other people think we don't need strict rules and a "sleeping membership" should never become a problem at Air Child.
This is (short) Option 2: Do not remove any pilot, remove the proposed rule 3.
I do not want to propose a poll yet.
I first want to take inventory of your ideas about the subject.
Thanks for sharing your ideas with us.
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
Hi Ricardo,
as I said before in a PM I understand perfectly that "sleeping" pilots are a pain in a community. What I do not understand is the proposal. Either removing after 1 month of inactivity or never remove. Is there nothing between, or does this meke no sense?
Let us see what the pilots are thinking.
Thnx anyway for openibg this discussion.
Cheers Tom
Ricardo Rementería Troncoso said:
Hi Ricardo,
as I said before in a PM I understand perfectly that "sleeping" pilots are a pain in a community. What I do not understand is the proposal. Either removing after 1 month of inactivity or never remove. Is there nothing between, or does this meke no sense?
Let us see what the pilots are thinking.
Thnx anyway for openibg this discussion.
Cheers Tom
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
OMG !!!
From the quote you used:
"This is (short) Option 1:
"remove pilots because of inactivity after 3 months. They may always join us again."
and
"This is (short) Option 2: Do not remove any pilot, remove the proposed rule 3."
I read again and again what you say: "Either removing after 1 month of inactivity or never remove. Is there nothing between, or does this meke no sense?", and I do not understand.
I'm afraid I am getting too old... or is it something else going on with me?
OMG !!!
From the quote you used:
"This is (short) Option 1:
"remove pilots because of inactivity after 3 months. They may always join us again."
and
"This is (short) Option 2: Do not remove any pilot, remove the proposed rule 3."
I read again and again what you say: "Either removing after 1 month of inactivity or never remove. Is there nothing between, or does this meke no sense?", and I do not understand.
I'm afraid I am getting too old... or is it something else going on with me?
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- Today 5:32 PM
Re: ACH-FSE: rules
I have been reading this, and I dont see the problem with removing pilots after 1 mounth in FSE.
as you was saying they can always join again, so I have no problem with that.
Air child is for fun and for the charity, and I think its a challenge in FSE, but for me, flying the cessnas all time isnt so fun, so I dont think FSE is something for me at least, now I am talking for myself.
but I think the rules looks good, and I think just some small minor changes are ok, but not more.
-Anders-
I have been reading this, and I dont see the problem with removing pilots after 1 mounth in FSE.
as you was saying they can always join again, so I have no problem with that.
Air child is for fun and for the charity, and I think its a challenge in FSE, but for me, flying the cessnas all time isnt so fun, so I dont think FSE is something for me at least, now I am talking for myself.
but I think the rules looks good, and I think just some small minor changes are ok, but not more.
-Anders-
Re: ACH-FSE: rules
Hi Ricardo,
What I mean is give more time then 1 month, maybe 2 or 3 if it it necessary to re ove them from the FSE chapter. Or better discuss this with members of the FSE chapter.
Cheers Tom
Ricardo Rementería Troncoso said:OMG !!!
From the quote you used:
"This is (short) Option 1:
"remove pilots because of inactivity after 3 months. They may always join us again."
and
"This is (short) Option 2: Do not remove any pilot, remove the proposed rule 3."
I read again and again what you say: "Either removing after 1 month of inactivity or never remove. Is there nothing between, or does this meke no sense?", and I do not understand.
I'm afraid I am getting too old... or is it something else going on with me?
Hi Ricardo,
What I mean is give more time then 1 month, maybe 2 or 3 if it it necessary to re ove them from the FSE chapter. Or better discuss this with members of the FSE chapter.
Cheers Tom
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
it says: "remove pilots because of inactivity after 3 months",
and that's exactly what you are saying...
I think we are coming home
Tom, I knew you meant that..., but... please... READ the proposal carefully...,Tom Weber said:
it says: "remove pilots because of inactivity after 3 months",
and that's exactly what you are saying...
I think we are coming home
Re: ACH-FSE: rules
Very Sorry Ricardo I missed that. I have a lot of discussions, mails, expertises about opening a filmsound mixing stage. My head is full.
Sorry again
Tom
Ricardo Rementería Troncoso said:Tom, I knew you meant that..., but... please... READ the proposal carefully...,Tom Weber said:
it says: "remove pilots because of inactivity after 3 months",
and that's exactly what you are saying...
I think we are coming home
Very Sorry Ricardo I missed that. I have a lot of discussions, mails, expertises about opening a filmsound mixing stage. My head is full.
Sorry again
Tom
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
The perception of FSE, in general, seems to be completely wrong. It's not all about flying Cessna's and other small planes. As Ricardo has already mentioned and clarified, there are planes available in FSE that we do have in our 'regular' fleet. I do understand that if you are a one plane v pilot and your beloved bird is the 738, participating in FSE will be boring. Although the bird is present in FSE, one cannot fly it freely and/or for a group. Having said that, I reckon there must be pilots amongst us who fly our Twotters, AT7's, CRJ200's, ERJ145's, and BAe146's (aye, all these aircraft are available in FSE!). They could at least try the new option and see for themselves if making money, maintaining the plane and so on adds any value to their hobby. A while ago I offered my personally leased ATR to the group. I pay the lease and maintenance myself, so that more profit goes to our group. The plane is in Europe and can easily make v$100k in 2-3 flights. The offer is still valid btw
As for the rules, every single organisation must have some regulations. Even those that are created to provide fun and most friendly environment. It does not matter whether the rule states that the pilot must, has to or is kindly asked to submit one PIREP per a calendar month to remain their currency. Everybody should know what it means and what they need to do if they want to be part of this additional structure. What's the point of having a long list of pilots who don't fly? From my perspective, it is far more important that once I've become inactive, for whatever reason and lost my membership I can easily rejoin the group when I can contribute to this great project.
Cheers,
Ralf
Anders Kvamme Stemland said:
The perception of FSE, in general, seems to be completely wrong. It's not all about flying Cessna's and other small planes. As Ricardo has already mentioned and clarified, there are planes available in FSE that we do have in our 'regular' fleet. I do understand that if you are a one plane v pilot and your beloved bird is the 738, participating in FSE will be boring. Although the bird is present in FSE, one cannot fly it freely and/or for a group. Having said that, I reckon there must be pilots amongst us who fly our Twotters, AT7's, CRJ200's, ERJ145's, and BAe146's (aye, all these aircraft are available in FSE!). They could at least try the new option and see for themselves if making money, maintaining the plane and so on adds any value to their hobby. A while ago I offered my personally leased ATR to the group. I pay the lease and maintenance myself, so that more profit goes to our group. The plane is in Europe and can easily make v$100k in 2-3 flights. The offer is still valid btw
As for the rules, every single organisation must have some regulations. Even those that are created to provide fun and most friendly environment. It does not matter whether the rule states that the pilot must, has to or is kindly asked to submit one PIREP per a calendar month to remain their currency. Everybody should know what it means and what they need to do if they want to be part of this additional structure. What's the point of having a long list of pilots who don't fly? From my perspective, it is far more important that once I've become inactive, for whatever reason and lost my membership I can easily rejoin the group when I can contribute to this great project.
Cheers,
Ralf
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
I would also like to express that i was cut and pushed as not active member.
Very disturbing since i have clearly wrote that I am returning pilot after few years with new system and x-plane....
I did soon register and enter FSE to help, but still not knowing all the tricks about x-plane, plugins and all the rest, i was just pushed out of it. Though i did try soon to fly. And even suggested some routes, but was cut short from "the boss" himself.
If somebody so badly wants pilots at FSE he should be responsible to promote and help until the system runs ok...before stating the rules and pushing fellow members out of group.
Its a paradox and i was clearly disappointed with it.
Yesterday i checked FSA but i could noticed that because there is no member with premium account our VA is dead. So we would need someone to pay and then our air-child would work there.
I like both, actually its good we could have someone to devoted his time to it, but for the sake of VA we should try to expand both FSE and FSA.
At the moment I'm still working on configuration and as soon as I feel comfortable with my setup I will be more more active.
I would also like to express that i was cut and pushed as not active member.
Very disturbing since i have clearly wrote that I am returning pilot after few years with new system and x-plane....
I did soon register and enter FSE to help, but still not knowing all the tricks about x-plane, plugins and all the rest, i was just pushed out of it. Though i did try soon to fly. And even suggested some routes, but was cut short from "the boss" himself.
If somebody so badly wants pilots at FSE he should be responsible to promote and help until the system runs ok...before stating the rules and pushing fellow members out of group.
Its a paradox and i was clearly disappointed with it.
Yesterday i checked FSA but i could noticed that because there is no member with premium account our VA is dead. So we would need someone to pay and then our air-child would work there.
I like both, actually its good we could have someone to devoted his time to it, but for the sake of VA we should try to expand both FSE and FSA.
At the moment I'm still working on configuration and as soon as I feel comfortable with my setup I will be more more active.
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Re: ACH-FSE: rules
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That's fine. We'll meet in the virtual skies.Matej Sagmeister said:
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