SIDs - planning a flight

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What have I started here :eek:

So can I conclude, that the first waypoint in any route, should have a sid for the airport named after it? or is some cases will that not happen?
 
Re: Airport Charts

Good reasosning Andrew ;) . However, there are airports with no SIDS, such as EPKK.
In such a case, the first waypoint of the flight plan is the direct waypoint you should head towards once airborne.
 
Re: Airport Charts

Rafal Bardel said:
...the first waypoint of the flight plan is the direct waypoint you should head towards once airborne.
It might be ok with local ATC Rafal, but not always in line with CFMU. Central Flow Management Unit is a long-term flight planning Eurocontrol "office".
The following map showing the countries included in the CFMU:

cfmu1.gif


The aim is - more aircraft in controlled airspace while maintaining safety and eliminate many of the delays. CFMU is a system for planning flights over the territories of the European countries. Coming from users of the airspace (mainly airlines) flight plans are pre-treated in IFPU (Initial Flight Plan Processing Unit) in Haren (Brussels) or Bretigny-sur-Orge (Paris). CFMU sends flight plans for air traffic management centers that will monitor the aircraft during his flight. Flight plan reaches the control centers about 2 hours before aircraft starts his flight. Several minutes before the expected arrival time, the flightstrips will be printed and a short form of an flight plan appears on controllers scope. Central co-ordination of flight plans can accurately predict the impact of traffic restrictions caused for example by bad weather. CFMU handle about 30000 messages every day (ca. 20,000 flights !).
Back to our simulated world - sometimes you can go crazy trying to arrange an CFMU valid flight plan. Just go to:

Find there IFPUV-Free Editor and introduce an flight plann in form;
FPL-ACH0201-IN
-B763/H-SRWXY/S
-EPKK2335
-N0466F360 XXXXX ULXXX XXXXX
-EDDT0046 EDDH
from EPKK to EDDT using including RAD's and CDR's :rofl: - a lot of coffee and patience.
Therefore for fight sim purposes this may be simplify, just remember two things:
- direct segments between 2 navigation points can not be longer than 50Nm
- the first point does not extend beyond the departure controller area (see charts)
Of course, satisfaction is greater if your flight is similar to the real one, but sometimes it does not even begin, because the time for preparation was too long :zzz:
 
Re: Airport Charts

Yes, indeed, Tomasz, I could not agree with you more.
However, when a poor pilots wants to make his flight online and there are no SIDs, no ATC, just unicom...
 
Re: Airport Charts

Rafal Bardel said:
there are no SIDs, no ATC...
And no doctor within 200nm :)
Then do not waste your time, go to and you are set to go.
Flights through the middle of the Atlantic, over and above 70N/S and Pacific are higher school of driving. Route finder often calculate a track around the world, but for 99% of the Globe you will be happy with.
In spite of the finished good plan, do not forget to check local restrictions and procedures on the respective VACC websites (!).
Anyway we're already writing about the preparations for the flight, but the title is "Airport Charts"
Can you divide these topics ? ;)
 
Re: Airport Charts

Tomasz Wydrzynski said:
Anyway we're already writing about the preparations for the flight, but the title is "Airport Charts" Can you divide these topics ? ;)

Yep, you've got it.
:hi:
 
Thank you ;)

In conclusion - from airports without departure procedures you'll always flew directly to the first point of your flight plan. Assuming, of course, that it is not placed by more than +/- 50Nm from the airport. This is due to airspace structure, because the majority of the approach/departure control areas has a lateral range of approx. 50Nm (no controller can give permission to fly to a point outside his airspace).
Question: what if you do not have airport departure control facilities and only the tower provides control ? - the principle remains the same.
Well, this is the whole philosophy :) (European philosophy)
 
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