Passengers, payload and points system

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Ricardo Rementería Troncoso

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Just a comment about ACH points system.
A pilot get points for number of flights and for numbers of hours in the sky.
That's fine, but... I think more passengers and more payload (more money and more risks) must be counted. Otherway each pilot can better takes no passengers and no payload and full fuel to make longer flights (more points for each flight). I do not think that it's real or a good idea.
I am new here, and I am busy with the manuals, aircrafts and liveries in the fleet. Using X-Plane and MacOS X. Normally I use IVAO, I must try it with ACH... or must I use VATSIM?
 
Hey Ricardo,
first of all: Welcome to Air-Child VA! As you have noticed I fixed your problem with the forum login.
There was a slight problem with your middle name. ;)
I think more passengers and more payload (more money and more risks) must be counted.
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Yes, that would be nice to do .... if we could.
Unfortunately, with the different pirep tools we support it's not possible to make this available to all pilots. Actually, only FsPassengers provides a trusty number for pax and cargo because you (generally) have to use the tool to load the aircraft. Other tools, such as Flight Keeper or FsAcars, offer a possibility to enter values for payload, but basically you can enter anything you like. If it doesn't reflect your real values these add-ons do not care. Means you can fly an empty aircraft and still pretend you are carrying hundreds of pax.
And, finally, XAcars does not have any option to enter payload numbers. :|

Further plans for the VA include a financial/business model to increase overall realism. The facts I described above are one of the major problems we face here. The only straight solution would be to use a custom reporting client, made especially for our needs. However, most VA's who developped clients on their own stopped sooner or later because it's just too much work to keep such a tool up to date, with all different sim versions, add-ons etc. So we need to find something else.

ps: At Air-Child you can fly offline or online, IVAO or VATSIM. No obligations. Since the majority here flies on Vatsim, the VA is already known to many of the controllers, and you will not be called "Air China" or so ;) On Ivao it might be a good idea to indicate that 'ACH' stands for 'airchild'.
 
Peter Schindler said:
Hey Ricardo,
first of all: Welcome to Air-Child VA!
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Further plans for the VA include a financial/business model to increase overall realism. The facts I described above are one of the major problems we face here. The only straight solution would be to use a custom reporting client, made especially for our needs. However, most VA's who developped clients on their own stopped sooner or later because it's just too much work to keep such a tool up to date, with all different sim versions, add-ons etc. So we need to find something else.
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That's a quote from 3 years ago...
We still do not have a financial/economic system. But..., (you can see I've been very busy flying for Air-Child the last days...) I've found a pretty good alternative, it works fine with all MSFS and X-Plane, Windows, MacOS and Linux, and it can be used by single pilots AND by virtual airlines. At this moment it doesn't work for big planes. I've saw there the ATR72-500 and the DHC-6 300 Twin Otter. I am waiting for answer about which bigger aircrafts may be used. The plugin/addon for FSEconomy can be used at the same time with XAcars (reporting flights at Air-Child). It means you can normally fly for Air-Child (the children and UNICEF) AND also use the financial/economic system from FSEconomy. It's very nice to use, and in my experience I fly more often than without FSEconomy.

My question: if FSEconomy works, can we use it for Air-Child while we do not have an own financial/economic system?

Saludos,

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Hi, I've also been researching the economics part a while ago. There are one or two sites that offer a complete economics solution to VA's. VA's can register there and compete. The downside: they all cost real money and that would not mix with our charity goal.

Simmiles is a very shady and dubious one. I found another, better one that was well developed but frustratingly I can't remember the url at the moment. It is a reasonable service but it also costs money because the developer has put a lot of time into development and has to pay for his hosting. Maybe after some searching I'll find it again...

I've read good things about FSEconomy. I've also studied their page a bit. But there doesn't seem to be a way for uploading the flight data for a complete VA. Only for individual pilots.

If we just move all the flight reporting to FSEconomy there would be no activity on this site and that would be a bad thing. I also think many pilots here don't care about economy and we would probably lose them if they have to use the FSEconomy client.

For myself: I don't like fat clients that nestle into my flightsim menu and interfere. A simple ACARS app like we have now would be enough for the site to do the rest of the economics. As long as fuel, weight, distance, number of passengers is known it should work. I don't want to bother renting a virtual aircraft. My boss(Airchild in this case) should do that for me. :)
 
Maybe is my idea (what I am doing now) not clear enough.

Air-Child doesn't change (children, UNICEF, pireps, scheduled and charter flights).
Everything stays the same.

Because we do not have a financial/economic system, we can use that from FSEconomy. They have individual pilots but also "groups", and that are like enterprises or virtual airlines. When you fly as ACH-pilot, some percentage goes to the VA and some to the pilot (often 15-85, you can decide the numbers). Not everyone from Air-Child must participate in FSEconomy, it's an option, a personal choice. Of course, more pilots = more flights = more incomes, and with more incomes the "group" Air Child Airlines have more money to buy aircrafts, FBO's (Fixed Base Operators, these are "enterprises that provide services to pilots and their aircraft. In the real world, FBOs are located at airports and often sell fuel, do aircraft maintenance, operate restaurants, etc. In FSEconomy you can start your own FBO to provide services to other players), and much, much more.
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Again, Air-Child doesn't change. It can get the financial/economic system from FSEconomy, like many other VA's. It doesn't cost any cent (it's gratis).

Look at my last flights (ACH0422). The last 4 or 5 days I've been flying for Air-Child and making money at FSEconomy. I've rented the aircrafts there. I have to make money to buy the aircrafts I want to use in the future. If more ACH-pilots want to help, then we can have there very quick aircrafts owned by Air Child Airlines. It's just an extra !!!

They have new aircrafts in use: A321, A320, B737-800, and more. See
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but also "groups", and that are like enterprises or virtual airlines. When you fly as ACH-pilot
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I didn't know about this. Yes, this could be used, without obligation for those pilots who have no need for economics. So you would probably only need Norbert to give the OK to use the name Air-Child at FSEconomics and some fellow ACH pilots to fly with it.

Of course I still hope we get our own economics system.
 
David Higdon said:
A while ago there was mention of FSCaptain. I think Dutch would work with our VA.
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It would be fine if you tell us more about the possibilities of FSCaptain and Dutch. You know we are looking for a financial/economic system for Air Child to be used by all MSFS and X-Plane, all Windows, MacOS X and Linux. It would also be fine if you tell us the information sources for FSCaptain and Dutch.
Thanks,

PS.- In principe Norbert and Peter give us green light to implement a "group" Air Child Airlines on FSEconomy. I must prepare the implementation, basic manuals, communication threads in our forum, etc. All workable ideas are welcome. I'll keep you informed.

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Sure Remen,the link for fscaptain is as follows: www.fscaptain.net
Take a look,especially the forum under VA support. I believe Dutch is the programmer. I don't think its for xplane tho. It's a program that's geared for Airlines. If you peruse his site I think it will give you some ideas that maybe workable with the project your working on. Keep up the good work my friend.
 
FSCaptain is ONLY for Microsoft Flight Simulator (FS 2004 and FSX), this means it doesn't work for X-Plane... MSFS works only under Windows... this means it doesn't work for MacOS X or Linux...
In short, it's no option for Air Child.

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Hi Remen :)

I already switched to Xacars since there was no response from Peter to continue working on FSacars.

I would like to try Xpassengers but can I read somewhere how to set it up just for Air Child?

I could not find it.

Cheers, AJ ;)
 
For XP there is only for XACARS an init file. Others you have to figure out yourself, but I think some other pilots are able to help you.
Cheers Tom
 
Thanks Tom, it seems that Xacars is the most used one for X-Plane. I will keep it for now.

Cheers, AJ ;)
 
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