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Hello,
Would you add to the simulator list, P3D V1, V2 and V3 please?
Cheers
Pierre
Would you add to the simulator list, P3D V1, V2 and V3 please?
Cheers
Pierre
P3D V1, V2 and V3 insertion.
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Hi Tom,
When Lockeed Martin provides a civilian aircraft simulation like P3D, YES. :?
Don't forget FSX provides F18 and other military aircrafts without any problem. :think:
Cheers
Pierre
When Lockeed Martin provides a civilian aircraft simulation like P3D, YES. :?
Don't forget FSX provides F18 and other military aircrafts without any problem. :think:
Cheers
Pierre
Pierre Chassang said:Hi Tom,
When Lockeed Martin provides a civilian aircraft simulation like P3D, YES. :?
Don't forget FSX provides F18 and other military aircrafts without any problem. :think:
Cheers
Pierre
Hi Pierre,
As far as I know was the P3D development a pure military project to integrate a flightsim in the Lockheed Martin graphic world.
But anyway I actually do not care what our pilots do - I myself will not play with Lokheed Martin and I am really not sure if I want to promote the biggest weapon producer in our tiny world. I leave this to Peter and Norbert.
Cheers Tom
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Well, we have Boeings in our fleet. Boeing makes enormous bombers. We have Airbuses, they make military planes(
). We have L-100's in our fleet, a civil version of a military aircraft. L stands for Lockheed. Lockheed made several beautiful civilian planes.
You can use an axe to chop down a tree or to kill someone. You can make a plow from a lump of iron or a gun/sword. I don't think you can really escape military application when dealing with high-tech like airplanes. And even then...the military is often helpful by providing assistance in case of forest fires, drought etc. Without protection from the military most aid organizations couldn't assist in a lot of countries. (UN in UNICEF means United Nations). The world is very confusing and not black and white. Of course I'm against offensive warfare, landgrab etc. The relationship between big banks, weapons dealers and governments doesn't really make me happy. And I don't think we should promote warplanes or weapons here but I see no real evil in P3D.
I think P3D has really become more and more the successor to FSX to most flightsimmers with some money to spare. Users just add some stuff to it to get a part of the entertainment side back that FSX had. I can see it on flightsim.com and other sites. At first it was forbidden to open a topic about it because it was a tool for real-world pilots and now they even have adverts for it. Many well known add-on makers for FSX now adapt their products for both FSX-SE and P3D because they want to keep in business.
The wisest thing to do is probably just add P3D to the list of supported sims and maybe a small icon in the left column but not some big Lockheed-Martin logo somewhere because it obviously offends some of our members.
I think we could also include FSX-SE( , they say. So XACARS probably also). Can members using FSX-SE confirm this? And hopefully Flightgear in the future when it has an ACARS client.
You can use an axe to chop down a tree or to kill someone. You can make a plow from a lump of iron or a gun/sword. I don't think you can really escape military application when dealing with high-tech like airplanes. And even then...the military is often helpful by providing assistance in case of forest fires, drought etc. Without protection from the military most aid organizations couldn't assist in a lot of countries. (UN in UNICEF means United Nations). The world is very confusing and not black and white. Of course I'm against offensive warfare, landgrab etc. The relationship between big banks, weapons dealers and governments doesn't really make me happy. And I don't think we should promote warplanes or weapons here but I see no real evil in P3D.
Yes, LM does sell it to air forces as a simulation tool(I believe mainly for fresh recruits and selection). But it is also marketed to the general public as an educational simulation.
I think P3D has really become more and more the successor to FSX to most flightsimmers with some money to spare. Users just add some stuff to it to get a part of the entertainment side back that FSX had. I can see it on flightsim.com and other sites. At first it was forbidden to open a topic about it because it was a tool for real-world pilots and now they even have adverts for it. Many well known add-on makers for FSX now adapt their products for both FSX-SE and P3D because they want to keep in business.
The wisest thing to do is probably just add P3D to the list of supported sims and maybe a small icon in the left column but not some big Lockheed-Martin logo somewhere because it obviously offends some of our members.
I think we could also include FSX-SE( , they say. So XACARS probably also). Can members using FSX-SE confirm this? And hopefully Flightgear in the future when it has an ACARS client.
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Hi,
I perfectly understand your point of view Tom and I recspect it.
So I ask to Norbert and Peter.
Cheers
Pierre
I perfectly understand your point of view Tom and I recspect it.
So I ask to Norbert and Peter.
Cheers
Pierre
Barthe Hogenboom said:
Well, we have Boeings in our fleet. Boeing makes enormous bombers. We have Airbuses, they make military planes( ). We have L-100's in our fleet, a civil version of a military aircraft. L stands for Lockheed. Lockheed made several beautiful civilian planes.
- Here you maybe right, but Ido not buy from Airbus or Boeing, I buy from AS or PMDG or whatever - for me this makes a huge difference for me.
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Hi, Tom. I do have respect for your choice about what to buy or not. And I do understand your reasons why.
What I was saying was more about what Air-Child as a group promotes or supports. I think a general boycott from Air-Child towards P3D would go a bit too far.
A little thing about PMDG though, not to annoy you. . Just to show that things are always entangled. But I understand you also wouldn't need/buy this.
It's a good thing our CEOs finally decide about this. After reading our suggestions.
I'm not too worried about this; when my FSX would stop working for some reason I would probably fall back to Fs9 or switch to Flightgear.
What I was saying was more about what Air-Child as a group promotes or supports. I think a general boycott from Air-Child towards P3D would go a bit too far.
A little thing about PMDG though, not to annoy you. . Just to show that things are always entangled. But I understand you also wouldn't need/buy this.
It's a good thing our CEOs finally decide about this. After reading our suggestions.
I'm not too worried about this; when my FSX would stop working for some reason I would probably fall back to Fs9 or switch to Flightgear.
Dear ACH pilots,
Now Germany is back to war, and the weapon industry is still delivering weapons in the east to everyone who is willing to pay. Weapons always finds their way, legally, half legally or illegally. Believe me, I will not vote for a promotion of the worlds biggest weapon manufacturer on our Air-Child website.
I am from the late 50th, during my youth and my studies we had big demonstrations for peace, huge peace walks, demos against the Nato-Doppelbeschluss, Easter Walks for peace and and and. So please do not blame me that I will not find a tiny little reason to promote LM. But as I said, this is only me - I leave this to Norbert and Peter.
Have a nice weekend wherever you are
Tom
Now Germany is back to war, and the weapon industry is still delivering weapons in the east to everyone who is willing to pay. Weapons always finds their way, legally, half legally or illegally. Believe me, I will not vote for a promotion of the worlds biggest weapon manufacturer on our Air-Child website.
I am from the late 50th, during my youth and my studies we had big demonstrations for peace, huge peace walks, demos against the Nato-Doppelbeschluss, Easter Walks for peace and and and. So please do not blame me that I will not find a tiny little reason to promote LM. But as I said, this is only me - I leave this to Norbert and Peter.
Have a nice weekend wherever you are
Tom
Dear pilots,
I spoke to Peter and he said there is no technical reason to put P3D on the compatibility list for our VA cause the sim of P3D is FSX "only" the graphic engine is P3D, so the usual ACARS tools should work.
Cheers Tom
ps. ACARS Tools - Flight Keeper seems outdated since the last version 3.5.1 and I heard that it comes to problems. I do not kow if Thomas Molitor will update. Maybe somebody has more infos.
I spoke to Peter and he said there is no technical reason to put P3D on the compatibility list for our VA cause the sim of P3D is FSX "only" the graphic engine is P3D, so the usual ACARS tools should work.
Cheers Tom
ps. ACARS Tools - Flight Keeper seems outdated since the last version 3.5.1 and I heard that it comes to problems. I do not kow if Thomas Molitor will update. Maybe somebody has more infos.
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This thread is a bit dusty, still I want to bring it up again. I am for adding P3D into the List of what Sim I use. This is quite useful to at least see for ACH which Sim someone uses...
You know I respect all of you and your opinions but when did the question of what product I am using became a political issue in this VA? Come on... it's a piece of software. I find it HIGHLY irritating that I, as a user of P3D, am being pushed in a "war-supporter" corner for having a hobby I want a better software for. I spent eight years in africa seeing poverty, war and death and I DONT condone violence in any form. And just suggesting that is a slap in the face.
I think the political or pseudo-ethical perception of this issue is bloated way out of its proportions. It's kinda cynical to discuss the moral implications of adding P3D as an option to our "profile" while the rest of the world goes to shit over everything else. Using a LM Product is a decision about using the next Sim out there that MIGHT work, as FSX is a piece of old crap - and trust me - I was in bed with FSX for a VERY long time. If any of you can honestly say, they don't use any tool, product, software or whatever in RL that has no moral downside attached to it, please do speak up... but beware!! Just using the Internet could be considered you proactively supporting a global network that is a gateway for drone-data, illiegal global surveillance and child-porn. Just sayin'!
And I have to add one more nagging comment to this... discussing the addition of P3D is all good and well... discuss we can. But there are SO MANY things that need to be done in our VA... where's the discussion about that? How come we bump our heads over something SO tiny as a 5 letter code to what Sim we use :|
You know I respect all of you and your opinions but when did the question of what product I am using became a political issue in this VA? Come on... it's a piece of software. I find it HIGHLY irritating that I, as a user of P3D, am being pushed in a "war-supporter" corner for having a hobby I want a better software for. I spent eight years in africa seeing poverty, war and death and I DONT condone violence in any form. And just suggesting that is a slap in the face.
I think the political or pseudo-ethical perception of this issue is bloated way out of its proportions. It's kinda cynical to discuss the moral implications of adding P3D as an option to our "profile" while the rest of the world goes to shit over everything else. Using a LM Product is a decision about using the next Sim out there that MIGHT work, as FSX is a piece of old crap - and trust me - I was in bed with FSX for a VERY long time. If any of you can honestly say, they don't use any tool, product, software or whatever in RL that has no moral downside attached to it, please do speak up... but beware!! Just using the Internet could be considered you proactively supporting a global network that is a gateway for drone-data, illiegal global surveillance and child-porn. Just sayin'!
And I have to add one more nagging comment to this... discussing the addition of P3D is all good and well... discuss we can. But there are SO MANY things that need to be done in our VA... where's the discussion about that? How come we bump our heads over something SO tiny as a 5 letter code to what Sim we use :|
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I hadn't realized that that was the last say in it. Ok then! Thanks for the feedback!
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Surely, we need to consider new pilots. They look on the site and see no mention of P3D being supported so move on. We need to keep up with the software as it progresses.
I hear Pete Dowson worked with Lockheed Martin to enable FSUIPC. Surely then we boycott FSUIPC because he collaborated with them?
I'm sorry but this is a farce
PREPAR3D should be added
Regards
Chris
I hear Pete Dowson worked with Lockheed Martin to enable FSUIPC. Surely then we boycott FSUIPC because he collaborated with them?
I'm sorry but this is a farce
PREPAR3D should be added
Regards
Chris
Chris Chadwick said:
Dear pilots,
I spoke to Peter and he said there is no technical reason to put P3D on the compatibility list for our VA cause the sim of P3D is FSX "only" the graphic engine is P3D, so the usual ACARS tools should and will work.
Cheers Tom
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Hello,
What I would like is to see P3D into the FS version from profile... It is the one I use. :think:
Nothing more.
Cheers
Pierre
What I would like is to see P3D into the FS version from profile... It is the one I use. :think:
Nothing more.
Cheers
Pierre
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Since others voiced their concerns and I somehow don't want to let it slide that easily, I'd like to point to something, we held high for a long time - and STILL do:
Maybe we, as a community, need to discuss this AND in the end decide about this question.
Maybe we, as a community, need to discuss this AND in the end decide about this question.