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Yes! :clap:Peter Schindler said:
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Hi Pilots,
The Peter's idea seems excellent if technical is not too hard to implement. :goodjob:
With this, the pilot who diverts the flight will have to get the aircraft back Home.
Therefore, I think it must not be possible to book another flight than the back Home one. :envy:
Cheers
Pierre
The Peter's idea seems excellent if technical is not too hard to implement. :goodjob:
With this, the pilot who diverts the flight will have to get the aircraft back Home.
Therefore, I think it must not be possible to book another flight than the back Home one. :envy:
Cheers
Pierre
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Just happened to me: PLAN LOWW-KORD
but LANDED AT CYUY(Rouyn)
Flight Critique:
You made a very nice landing. (+50)
There was a problem aboard and you declared an emergency. (+150)
A serious problem occurred during flight but you landed safely, nice job. (+1000)
You didn't land at the scheduled airport KORD but since you were conducting an emergency you will not receive a penalty. :'(
Exceeding maximum speed of this aircraft is very dangerous. (-600)
You forgot to activate the landing lights from the runway until 10000 ft but since you were in an emergency you will not receive a penalty.
(-600 pts)
Incidents:
one engine sustained major damage shortly after take-off due to a bird strike and shutdown immediately. This is one of the worst possible in-flight emergencies.
but LANDED AT CYUY(Rouyn)
Flight Critique:
You made a very nice landing. (+50)
There was a problem aboard and you declared an emergency. (+150)
A serious problem occurred during flight but you landed safely, nice job. (+1000)
You didn't land at the scheduled airport KORD but since you were conducting an emergency you will not receive a penalty. :'(
Exceeding maximum speed of this aircraft is very dangerous. (-600)
You forgot to activate the landing lights from the runway until 10000 ft but since you were in an emergency you will not receive a penalty.
(-600 pts)
Incidents:
one engine sustained major damage shortly after take-off due to a bird strike and shutdown immediately. This is one of the worst possible in-flight emergencies.
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Of course it is extremely hard to implement!! - what did you expect?! :rofl:Pierre Chassang said:
Seriously, now:
Option one, making it fully automatic, would be a difficult approach. I would have to create the special booking at the same moment where you transmit the pirep. Because we support 4 pirep add-ons and each pirep script is different, it would be a lot of work and also a high risk to create new bugs in the pirep scripts.
So I decided for option two, which is to just set a switch in your pilot profile that tells me about the divertion. Next time you check your bookings, you will find a note saying that you diverted and if you would like to create a booking for the recovery. With a click on the note the booking will be created. Much easier than to fiddle with all the pirep scripts. I already finished the first part. Once it's complete, I will need some test pilots
That would be difficult, indeed. What if you already have a couple of other bookings on your list? Should I delete them? I think we don't need that feature. Even if someone doesn't want to do the recovery flight, the aircraft will be returned after a few days.Pierre Chassang said:
Matej, if you want to take the plane back to KORD we can do the same thing as with Pierre. Just tell me. Thx. If not, I will return the plane to Chicago with my magic wandMatej Sagmeister said:
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Hello,
After reading your last post, I agree with your solution which seems the more reasonable in terms of implementation and use. :yes:
Thanks Peter.
Regards
Pierre
After reading your last post, I agree with your solution which seems the more reasonable in terms of implementation and use. :yes:
Thanks Peter.
Regards
Pierre
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Matej Sagmeister said:Just happened to me:but LANDED AT CYUY(Rouyn)
Flight Critique:
You made a very nice landing. (+50)
There was a problem aboard and you declared an emergency. (+150)
A serious problem occurred during flight but you landed safely, nice job. (+1000)
You didn't land at the scheduled airport KORD but since you were conducting an emergency you will not receive a penalty. :'(
Exceeding maximum speed of this aircraft is very dangerous. (-600)
You forgot to activate the landing lights from the runway until 10000 ft but since you were in an emergency you will not receive a penalty.
(-600 pts)
Incidents:
one engine sustained major damage shortly after take-off due to a bird strike</B><B> and shutdown immediately. This is one of the worst possible in-flight emergencies.
Pardon my french, I think your "virtual licence" should be suspended and you should be dragged before the next available "virtual-civil-aviation-branch" :!: for a serious interview :!:
You plan to fly LOWW-KORD - suffer a bird-strike and a "sustained major damage to one engine AFTER TAKE-OFF - and you land at an airport with an ICAO code starting with "C" ... WTF are you flying accross the water for a couple of hours and then divert... Is this just trying to get a ranking upgrade in FSPassengers or collect hours :?: :?: :?: :x
If you experience a "major damage" to one engine after take-off, its a "text-book" inflight shut-down and return to your take-off alternate - dumping fuel if you can, or you land overweight...
carrying "virtual passengers" for hours and hour accross the Atlantic and then divert due to an emergency is just simply sick and reveals pretty much about your aviation skills.
sorry, but there is no reason to "razz" (
) for anthing on this flight.. :no: :no: :no: :devil: nothing to be proud of: i rather suggest you go thinking about this one...Peter Schindler
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Though you may have a point here, Norbert (always depending on how seriously people take flightsimming), there's no reason to be rude. Stay friendly. Please
btw: We could also blame FsPax for its weird behavior. Something that confused me from the first day I used it. No matter what kind of emergency you have, as long as you squawk 7700 and call mayday 5 seconds before touchdown, FsPax will tell you that you did a great job..... Pretty pointless, if you ask me :roll:
btw: We could also blame FsPax for its weird behavior. Something that confused me from the first day I used it. No matter what kind of emergency you have, as long as you squawk 7700 and call mayday 5 seconds before touchdown, FsPax will tell you that you did a great job..... Pretty pointless, if you ask me :roll:
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EBBR LHBP returning flights LHBP EBBR (they count +2 per rotation more)
Or is it the the name that bothers YOU so much....?? 8)
Or is it the the name that bothers YOU so much....??
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Just a quick update for Pierre and who else is interested: I did most of the programming now for the diversion/return flight function. Just made a test flight, and it works as plannedPeter Schindler said:....I already finished the first part. Once it's complete, I will need some test pilots
I will do the return flight probably tomorrow and, if all is ok, include the modifications in the real scripts. It will only be included in Flight Keeper for the tests, though. Will inform you when it's ready to test.
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Thanks indeed Peter. You are great!!
Cheers
Pierre
Cheers
Pierre
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Gents, the diverted flights can now be tested with Flight Keeper only. Here's a brief information on what will happen:
- if you land at a different airport than the one you had originally planned, a "pilot comment" will be automatically inserted into your report, like the one below
and the diversion information will be written to your pilot record
- next time you go to "my bookings" you will see this notification:
You can now either accept to brief and book a return flight or choose the option to cancel this briefing, so that the plane will be taken to its original destination. There is still an issue here: if you don't choose either option and just fly and report any random flight before coming back and trying to do the return flight briefing, things will mess up. So, for now, please make the return flight right after your diverted flight or cancel it with the second option.
- once you choose the briefing, it will look like this:
So, basically, this is a charter briefing but with your original flight number. Also you are given the same amount of pax as you had before (which you can edit if you like). You can, however, not edit your departure/destination airports, of course.
- after completing the briefing you will have a pretty normal booking that you can fly anytime (now it doesn't matter anymore if you fly and report another flight first). Like all bookings, this one will be cancelled after 3 days, if not flown, and the aircraft will be taken to its original destination.
Please be aware that this whole procedure is only available for scheduled flights. When diverting on a charter flight, it doesn't really matter where the plane has landed. And you can make any kind of return flights on your own.
Everyone using FlightKeeper is invited to test this thoroughly but carefully
Please report any issues here. Thanks!
- if you land at a different airport than the one you had originally planned, a "pilot comment" will be automatically inserted into your report, like the one below
and the diversion information will be written to your pilot record
- next time you go to "my bookings" you will see this notification:
You can now either accept to brief and book a return flight or choose the option to cancel this briefing, so that the plane will be taken to its original destination. There is still an issue here: if you don't choose either option and just fly and report any random flight before coming back and trying to do the return flight briefing, things will mess up. So, for now, please make the return flight right after your diverted flight or cancel it with the second option.
- once you choose the briefing, it will look like this:
So, basically, this is a charter briefing but with your original flight number. Also you are given the same amount of pax as you had before (which you can edit if you like). You can, however, not edit your departure/destination airports, of course.
- after completing the briefing you will have a pretty normal booking that you can fly anytime (now it doesn't matter anymore if you fly and report another flight first). Like all bookings, this one will be cancelled after 3 days, if not flown, and the aircraft will be taken to its original destination.
Please be aware that this whole procedure is only available for scheduled flights. When diverting on a charter flight, it doesn't really matter where the plane has landed. And you can make any kind of return flights on your own.
Everyone using FlightKeeper is invited to test this thoroughly but carefully
Please report any issues here. Thanks!
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Follow-up:
an interesting thing just happened with the last report by Jose Carlos Kokol (ACH0199). He flew from Dubai to Yerevan, using the old (Russian) ICAO code UGEE for Yerevan. However, the current (Armenian) code is UDYZ, and that's the one we use in the route database. So, what happened is that the scripts detected a "diverted" flight, because the pilot did not land at UDYZ but at UGEE :roll:
I discussed that with Andrew and Matej a few days ago on the beta forum, and predicted that it would happen like this - and it did
Since I can not control that kind of "diversion" (there's almost 10000 airport codes in the database, and some are outdated) the only thing you can do here is to cancel the imaginary "return flight". Problem: the plane will be taken to UGEE - means: it stays at the same place but the flight search will not find it anymore :S ..........weird problem.....
See why some things take so long to finish: there's always something unexpected happening... :x
an interesting thing just happened with the last report by Jose Carlos Kokol (ACH0199). He flew from Dubai to Yerevan, using the old (Russian) ICAO code UGEE for Yerevan. However, the current (Armenian) code is UDYZ, and that's the one we use in the route database. So, what happened is that the scripts detected a "diverted" flight, because the pilot did not land at UDYZ but at UGEE :roll:
I discussed that with Andrew and Matej a few days ago on the beta forum, and predicted that it would happen like this - and it did
Since I can not control that kind of "diversion" (there's almost 10000 airport codes in the database, and some are outdated) the only thing you can do here is to cancel the imaginary "return flight". Problem: the plane will be taken to UGEE - means: it stays at the same place but the flight search will not find it anymore :S ..........weird problem.....
See why some things take so long to finish: there's always something unexpected happening... :x
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Hello Peter,
Your last is very intersting.
I will test it as soon as I'll make a wrong fuel planning. (It should be not far-off) :lol:
The procedure is very simple, good job indeed, congratulations. :yes:
Cheers
Pierre
Your last is very intersting.
I will test it as soon as I'll make a wrong fuel planning. (It should be not far-off) :lol:
The procedure is very simple, good job indeed, congratulations. :yes:
Cheers
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Excellent idea but there's still sth wrong (?), just to let you know.
I flew a charter flight ACH7398 from EDDF to EPKK, landed at destination, reported flight (FS Keeper) and got the ... diversion screen when I wanted to book a new flight.
HM ... :wonder:
I flew a charter flight ACH7398 from EDDF to EPKK, landed at destination, reported flight (FS Keeper) and got the ... diversion screen when I wanted to book a new flight.
HM ... :wonder:
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mine says...
Pilot Comment: Flight was diverted from EHGG to EHGG
Rafal, I think know why you have that.
When I see you on the 'live map' it usually says ' EDDF - ' for example, with no destination
on your report comment, it says
Pilot Comment: Flight was diverted from to EPKK
So I'm guessing, that you don't load your fs flight plan into fskeeper (you maybe don't even make a fs flight plan to do this) but I think as flight keeper doesn't know where you are heading, you get this error.
Maybe you can manually put your destination the in fskeeper destination field at start up, though not sure if that will work the same as loading a fs pln into it.
Pilot Comment: Flight was diverted from EHGG to EHGG
Rafal, I think know why you have that.
When I see you on the 'live map' it usually says ' EDDF - ' for example, with no destination
on your report comment, it says
Pilot Comment: Flight was diverted from to EPKK
So I'm guessing, that you don't load your fs flight plan into fskeeper (you maybe don't even make a fs flight plan to do this) but I think as flight keeper doesn't know where you are heading, you get this error.
Maybe you can manually put your destination the in fskeeper destination field at start up, though not sure if that will work the same as loading a fs pln into it.
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Just corrected this. There was something in the report script I had marked for change but finally forgot to. So it commented every scheduled flight as divertedAndrew Williams said:
Should be ok now.
True. That's something I also noticed, and only with Rafal's flights.
I think Andrew is right, Rafal. If you don't have the destination filled in with FlightKeeper it will not know where you're going to.
Anyway, you shouldn't get that diverting comment at all with a charter flight, no matter what you do. I will look into this.
Edit: Another bug fixed 8) Due to that bug, a charter flight was suddenly considered scheduled...
ps: I will also delete those false comments in your pireps.
ps: I will also delete those false comments in your pireps.
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Ok, friends, thanks for the comments.
But I did place the flight plan and the destination was there - you can see that on my flight report maps:
http://www.air-child.com/pirepDetail.php?fid=15102009205808ACH01049367&pid=ACH0104
there is a flight plan marked as well as real flight track - different at times, resulting from ATC vectoring or SID/STAR specifications. But it's there 8). I might have loaded the flight plan into FSKeeperr after connecting it to FS, though. Well, and I used the FS Device to controll the route - the flight was there and the plan, too, throughout the flight.
When I used the FS Keeper at first I did happen to forget to file the destination, but not with this one as well as two more flights I flew yesterday. In all three cases I checked myself on the ACH live map during the flights and all was there, dep/route/dest. Also FS Keeper Device showed the full route.
Anyway - details are details - we're learning all the time.
Two flights after that all was OK with bookings.
Best regards to you all,
But I did place the flight plan and the destination was there - you can see that on my flight report maps:
http://www.air-child.com/pirepDetail.php?fid=15102009205808ACH01049367&pid=ACH0104
there is a flight plan marked as well as real flight track - different at times, resulting from ATC vectoring or SID/STAR specifications. But it's there 8). I might have loaded the flight plan into FSKeeperr after connecting it to FS, though. Well, and I used the FS Device to controll the route - the flight was there and the plan, too, throughout the flight.
When I used the FS Keeper at first I did happen to forget to file the destination, but not with this one as well as two more flights I flew yesterday. In all three cases I checked myself on the ACH live map during the flights and all was there, dep/route/dest. Also FS Keeper Device showed the full route.
Anyway - details are details - we're learning all the time.
Two flights after that all was OK with bookings.
Best regards to you all,
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Peter, you seem to still have a small bug on the divert.
Just seen you land on live map, so looked at your report, and it says
though my report yesterday was fine :?
Just seen you land on live map, so looked at your report, and it says
though my report yesterday was fine :?
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Lol, I don't get it. Is there anything I can get past you??? :rofl:
Yes, I noticed that too and immediately removed it from database, so you wouldn't see :lol: No way!
The reason is simple, though: I still had the test script configured as FlightKeeper template, which still had the bug.
Yes, I noticed that too and immediately removed it from database, so you wouldn't see :lol: No way!
The reason is simple, though: I still had the test script configured as FlightKeeper template, which still had the bug.
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Peter Schindler said:
Well I do my best to not allow it
:lol: